myles
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Post by myles on Dec 20, 2014 6:17:12 GMT
1-Train every day. JB said at a workshop I attended a long time ago, 'every day you train you gain a day of skill, every day you don't train you loose a month of skill' take it as you like, but that's how its in my notes.
2-Train more than an hour per day. I once asked how long one should train per day, is an hour enough? The answer was training one hour a day you wont be good until 30 years have past. 'I don't have that kind of time' was also I believe mentioned. Mathematically this is ten years at 3 hours per day. Taking into consideration JB's perception of "good" might be far more advanced than ours.
3-When turning, 'the first 15-20 mins are just warming up'. So, it's almost like the first 20 mins don't count. I take this to mean that an hour of turning is probably required, and building on the last, every day.
Obviously any amount of training is better than none, but what are your goals? There is an article on the yinstylebaguazhanginternational site that talks about differing circumstances. If your young, if your old, if you have limited time to train..... People need to be realistic, if you want to be able to use it, if you want to be healthy, if you just need a hobby, these are all differing goals. Training will vary depending on your goal, just as your outcome will depend on your training.
'The way you cheat your training is the way your training will cheat you'
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Post by sak on Dec 20, 2014 17:20:06 GMT
I could not agree more on the subject of turning. While Jack Schafer was training the Boulder group, we would almost always spend an hour of class turning. The first 20 minutes would be warming up with direction changes, then we would train forms. Also when I was training with Andrew Nugent-Head, he always said an hour a day of turning is good. I am really grateful to those guys and feel really lucky to have trained with them. Point is, I do try to turn an hour a day, but I feel like I have become so involved with turning that I have let other practices fall to the background. How do we find the time to turn for an hour, do our strikes, strengthening postures and any Daoyin practices every day?
Thankfully this forum has got me doing the standing strengthening practices regularly again and I find it to be an amazing addition to my daily practice. Guess I have to get off my as and work it all in. Thanks for sharing your insights!
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myles
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Post by myles on Dec 20, 2014 17:54:06 GMT
I try my best to turn an hour a day as well. It's very hard find a balance with time restrictions. I shoot for two hours of training a day, one turning and the other divided between standing, striking, and form work. It doesn't always happen, but if I cant find time for one aspect I try to make sure it's the focus of the following day.
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eric
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Post by eric on Dec 21, 2014 15:01:57 GMT
Myles,
This is an awesome topic!
Sak,
It is extremely difficult to train hard at everything and even harder to do so in a single day. In Beijing, group training is generally 90% strikes & striking combinations, 5% aps and 5% forms. A strengthening posture or two is often thrown in to start sessions off or end them. Serious turning & standing sessions are left to practitioners to accomplish on their own time outside of the group. I don't mean to say this is the best or only manner of training, but importantly, it does fit our purposes. Generally, when we study with HJB throughout the year, we focus on striking combinations; so we prepare, drill and try to understand such combinations throughout the week so that we have something presentable to show him when we meet.
From the perspective of development, it's often easier to attain results by hitting one thing (or a few related things) hard in a session rather than jumping around and trying to cover a large number of various things. Still, motivation is extremely important. You want to train things that you enjoy training. As it is can be hard to enjoy extremely painful & exhausting activities, individuals need to be creative and observant, determining how best to get results in their own practices. If turning an hour every day gets it done for you, that's awesome. Alternatively, you could turn two hours every other day. That would seriously increase the difficulty, but you'd have a day in between to focus on other things and to recover, then you'd return to turning fresh the next day. HJB personally believes turning 3 hours is the way to go, but following this logic, the same could be said for any of the practices: the harder the practice, the greater the potential for development. This would apply to standing and striking too. He Jinbao tends to favor individual strikes and turning. The Doctor did a lot of forms and standing. Even within the same pillars, it requires no wild leap of the imagination to assume the favorite turning postures, strikes or standing methods of each would likely differ from the other. What matters is that you understand the type of development you are trying to attain and that you then develop it; the exact manner in which you go about getting this development is up to you.
Ultimately, you need to find a method that works for you. You want development, but you also want to stay interested, because being interested will help you to attain more development. It is also worth noting that often good methods do not work incessantly. You may find a really productive manner of training and hit it hard, but 3-6 months later, you might feel a loss of steam or your results may begin to slow. If this is the case, do not be afraid to devise a new method or to shake up your training schedule and focus. You can always return to an old method in the future when your new method loses steam.
Anyhow, just a few thoughts,
- Eric
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myles
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Post by myles on Dec 21, 2014 15:36:03 GMT
Thanks for the feedback Eric Working with the guys in DC I have taken lead in the material we cover, leading the session/practices, or class if you will. I quickly decided turning and a lot of standing just eat up time with little use of partners. It's great to hear you guys also leave turning and standing mostly up to personal training. I have thought recently about adding in 30 mins of turning to the sessions. As I can actually tell when we do applications that require turning in the techniques that people may not be turning on their own, or at least not spending sufficient time or effort on turning. However, it's unlikely that adding a half hr per week to others turning will supplement. My hopes would be that it would encourage people to turn more at home I guess.
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eric
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Post by eric on Dec 21, 2014 16:23:43 GMT
Myles,
Certainly, sir!
My comments above are more addressing the idea that one's training should be designed to achieve one's developmental goals.
I imagine each group of YSB practitioners is probably unique and practitioners may require different things from instructors or from group training.
My thought is that group training should help practitioners to study and train things that individuals would have trouble learning or achieving on their own.
But I am just an individual practitioner, not a group leader, and the YSB Beijing group's circumstances are probably quite different from the groups in the States (we have more training time but also a smaller group), so you might want to talk to other group leaders in the States & Europe about their thoughts on this.
- Eric
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Post by sak on Dec 21, 2014 19:36:09 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts and input! Very helpful
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